Nov 25

Should we ban elderly drivers?

Comments (33) by Jessica Bold November 25, 2011 - 7:01 AM

A few months ago, something happened in Denver that happens everywhere: A wrong-way driver caused a horrendous, head-on collision that killed a father of three young children.

The catch?

The driver was 89. Eighty. Nine. Eight times ten. Plus Nine.

Why was she even on the road?!  What eighty-nine year old person has enough nuts and bolts together to be driving?!  I'm not saying they're all vegetables in a nursing home, but come on!  At some point, they have to admit that they can't see as well...that their reaction time is worse than a drunk driver and their in-the-moment decision making skills aren't quite as snappy as they used to be - especially in the dark.

My husband and I have had more than one close call with these old geezers out on the road.  One old man, probably pushing the ripe old age of 90, decided to make a left hand turn into our lane and almost side-swiped our car.

His reaction when he finally heard us laying on the horn like, "Hello! Wrong lane!"...?

He flipped us off.  Like it was our fault.

At some point in the driver license process, there really should be a re-test once you hit a certain age.  I'm not saying older people suck at driving (even though they do), I'm saying they don't want to admit they suck at driving, so they head out onto the road and put everyone else at risk.

We scream murder when it comes to drunk drivers or someone who has been munching on the magic mushrooms...yet we stay mum on the old people?

Why? Why would we want someone who is half blind, deaf as a door and can't determine which side of the road is the right one to drive on maintain the privilege of owning a driver license?​ 

I get it - old people get all pushy and protective when they're told they can no longer do the things that they've been able to do since before we were even born.

But, really, Grandma, do you really want the blood of someone else on your hands because you forgot that the on ramp was really an off ramp...but you drove down it anyway?

I'd rather have someone drive me to my favorite hair dresser and Bingo Thursdays than live out the remainder of my days knowing that my inability to follow the rules of the road led to the death of another person.

The eighty-nine year old in the story?  She got off easy, so to speak.  Not that dying is the preferable choice but, still.  Dying is easier than knowing you killed somebody decades younger than you who didn't get that same luxury of a long life.

by Jessica Bold November 25, 2011 - 7:01 AM


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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 7:44 pm
    by  Fiona Brownlee
    My father was killed in a car crash last year (see todays blog about funerals and weddings). It wasn't his fault. Yes he was 84 but he was perfectly capable of driving 6 hours to Scotland let alone round the corner to get his paper which is what he was doing when he was hit coming out of a T junction. I despised the local paper for the headline PENSIONER KILLED IN HORROR DEATH SMASH which implied a. he was old b it was therefore his fault c he was dispensible In my opinion older people are more cautious and more courteous than other drivers on the road. Yes you may get irritated when you're stuck behind them when you're in a rush for something but it's the middle aged men and feckless young boys who will race over speed bumps and put our childrens lives at risk. How on earth could someone say old drivers are worse than drunk drivers? It lacks respect. It lacks common sense. Get real.
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  • 4 replies, Last reply by Feral on Sat Dec 3, 2011 at 12:19 pm
  • Report Sun Nov 27, 2011 - 12:47 pm
    by  Feral
    @Fiona Brownlee: No, it doesn't lack respect or commonsense. It's about the objective impairment of cognitive and motor skills required to drive safely. I also believe many elderly drivers are so impaired they may be worse than someone who is drunk. But the point was that we don't tolerate drunk drivers whatsoever, and yet sweep the problem of the unsafe elderly under the carpet because it's such a difficult thing to take someone's independence away. Elderly people are impaired in their cognitive and motor skills. That is not arguable. You may not notice it as you watch your elderly relative driving along the road, but may only see it when it really counts ie having brake suddenly and swerve to avoid a child who's run on to the road... There are many objective, scientific tests of cognitive and motor impairment - the elderly do not cut it. By 'elderly' I mean anyone over seventy. They should have to pass an annual driving test. If you can't pass, you can't really argue that you should be allowed on the road.
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  • Report Sun Nov 27, 2011 - 1:21 pm
    @Feral: This. Exactly. It's not meant to be disrespectful...it just...is. Our skills deteriorate with age...and that makes driving more challenging, which can lead to near misses or even accidents and like Feral said - this reality is basically ignored, swept under the rug.
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  • Report Wed Nov 30, 2011 - 5:10 pm
    by  Fiona Brownlee
    @Jessica Bold: I don't have a problem with elderly people having to resit their test. I think a lot of people could do with resitting their test but Feral's aggressive response is the equivalent of a boy racer flying down the road over speed bumps! A little compassion would be nice.
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  • Report Sat Dec 3, 2011 - 12:19 pm
    by  Feral
    @Fiona Brownlee: I do not lack compassion for the elderly, but I also think it's fairly likely that you haven't had to care for the devastated family members of an innocent person killed by an elderly driver who should not have been on the road. When a completely innocent bystander is killed by a drunk driver there is community outrage, and yet virtually no response when a person is killed by an elderly person. Calling my response aggressive is rather ironic and a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think? I understand this is a subject you are sensitive about given the history you have described, however maybe you need to recognise that sensitivity before you start labelling an objective commentator as aggressive. I can't think of any other situation in our society where the rights of one party (the elderly and their 'right' to independence) come above the rights of the rest of society ( to not be put at undue risk on the roads / footpaths / carparks due to unsafe drivers). Call me cynical, but I'm sure the reason we don't have more stringent criteria for allowing the elderly to continue driving is because it would mean political death for anyone who suggested it.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 4:08 pm
    by  Kathleen Reifsnyder
    The number of factors that can cause someone to make a bad decision, while driving, are many. Being elderly certainly can be and often is a factor (I was rear-ended by a "95" year old women, last year, who had prior vehicle offenses and still had her license and was driving). BUT there have been instances of one of my daughters being rear ended by someone using their cell phone, the teen in a hurry to get to school who decided that red light was optional, the mother with 3 children screaming in the backseat who didn't see the light turn yellow, then red, before she plowed through it..... The list goes on and on. We all need to be responsible for our own driving and one of the things we can do to aid our own actions behind the wheel is to drive as defensively as we can!!!!
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  • 4 replies, Last reply by Kathleen Reifsnyder on Sun Nov 27, 2011 at 5:17 pm
  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 4:45 pm
    @Kathleen Reifsnyder: Yes - defensive driving is a must. And your other examples are also serious road hazards, albeit ones that someone can consciously stop doing. Elderly people going blind? Not conscious...not something easily remedied.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 9:09 pm
    by  Kathleen Reifsnyder
    @Jessica Bold: I guess I just can't agree with your attack on "old people"!!! There are so many other reasons that an auto accident is caused and if you research the percentages, it's not the "old people" who are causing the majority of these accidents.
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  • Report Sun Nov 27, 2011 - 12:37 pm
    by  Feral
    @Kathleen Reifsnyder: Whoaa... Even if a small percentage of road deaths are caused by the elderly incompetent, that's way too many. Your implication that it's not that important because there are other, more statistically significant causes out there is very questionable. And try telling that to the families of the innocent people who are killed. I work in the medical profession and see WAY too many road accidents caused by the elderly who rank their 'right' to independence way higher on the scale than everyone else's right to not be killed or maimed by someone who is unquestionably no longer fit to drive. Doctors can report an elderly patient they feel is likely to be incompetent and this mandates them to take a driving assessment and then regular (annual) assessments thereafter. Unfortunately, GPs are often reluctant to report their patients because it destroys their relationship and trust. Bollocks to that!
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  • Report Sun Nov 27, 2011 - 5:17 pm
    by  Kathleen Reifsnyder
    @Feral: Thank you Feral for your response, but you jumped on me without really understanding what I was saying.
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  • Report Sun Nov 27, 2011 - 1:10 am
    I just love the way you work. Thanks for sharing this great and interesting stuff. Fabulous post! I really enjoyed that.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 9:55 am
    by  Shell
    An 86 year old lady ran into my friend's car 2 years ago... she lost her baby at 26 weeks as a result of this collision plus long term physical and psychological effects. No-one wins here. The old lady handed in her licence and was given a suspended sentence. My friend buried her baby boy. Worse than drunk drivers I say.
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  • 8 replies, Last reply by Jessica Bold on Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 1:42 pm
  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 12:50 pm
    @Shell: I am not sure it's worse than drunk drivers. Old people didn't mean to get old - it just sort of happens and then they have to come to terms with it. People choose to drink and get in a car. I am sorry about your friend though - it must be awful.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 1:31 pm
    @Shell: This...is exactly why the old people scare me when I'm driving - especially now...28 weeks pregnant. I'm so sorry for your friend!
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 2:22 pm
    @Jessica Bold: You can only be responsible for your own driving. If you are really genuinely concerned then drive with extra vigilance, create large stopping distances between you and vehicles - drive with heightened alretness. I argue with my husband about this all the time - he thinks that everyone should be good drivers. I assume that everyone is a shit driver and aim to avoid collision.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 3:08 pm
    @Jessica Bold: Or you you could wear a padded suit when driving and buy a tank.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 4:43 pm
    @Clare Macnaughton: The tank isn't a bad idea...because, really, I'm the only good driver who is ever on the road... ;)
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 7:46 pm
    by  Fiona Brownlee
    @Jessica Bold: My husbands mantra on the road is TRUST NO ONE. I think it's a fairly good mantra for life!
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  • Report Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 1:03 pm
    @Fiona Brownlee: I don't disagree but sometimes I forgot and then doh! I get shat upon from a great height...
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  • Report Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 1:42 pm
    @Fiona Brownlee: I think your husband might be related to mine. That's his mantra, too! :)
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 3:50 pm
    At 88 they gave my dad three chances to renew his license. It was totally absurd.
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  • 1 reply, Last reply by Jessica Bold on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 3:55 pm
  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 3:55 pm
    @Janie Emaus: Elderly people have the guilt trip down to a science...more do than kids...it's like they know exactly what to say...
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 12:47 pm
    I don't think that you can prosecute someone for being old but maybe the tests post 70 need to have eyesight categories. Husband is a pilot and he has to pass a hearing and eyesight test otherwise he loses his licence. It's difficult to police because of intent. Maybe we need to encourage 'responsible aging' - I can see the ad campaign - TIME TO ADMIT YOU ARE OLD, BLIND, DEAF AND SMELL OF WEE - STEP AWAY FROM THE CAR!!!
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  • 5 replies, Last reply by Clare Macnaughton on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm
  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 1:33 pm
    @Clare Macnaughton: Yes. Maybe a campaign...but I don't think attempting some kind of test is too crazy? At least then older people can't just *say* they're fine...when no one knows if they really are or not...
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 1:47 pm
    @Jessica Bold: Maybe one of the questions could be - when you sneeze do you wee yourself a bit? But then it could be said that sleep deprived post partum mums should also be banned from driving because they are not safe. or that driving with in the back that are not bound and gagged should be illegal. *oh how I dream of an electric screen of soundproof glass between the front and the back* Or people on the night shifts shouldn't be allowed to drive. Or you can only drive when you have had 8 hours sleep. Although it would be a difficult campaign to deliver - how do you tell old, blind deaf people that they shouldn't drive. They can't hear or see!!! Very interesting topic this!
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 1:48 pm
    @Clare Macnaughton: That is children in the back of the car - is what I mean. Binding and gagging children when driving!
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 2:20 pm
    @Clare Macnaughton: I have no great ideas on how to combat this....but it seems like elderly drivers are super obstinate when it comes to taking things away...
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 3:07 pm
    @Jessica Bold: To be honest I find old people on the whole are really annoying but I have no doubt that I shall become an incredibly annoying old person. I am already a fairly annoying adult. I don't know the solution maybe we should create old people communities with big fences around them so they can't get out.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 9:53 am
    by  Trixy
    Here in the UK your licence is only valid until you are 70 then you have to reapply and then reapply every three years.. but that doesn't ensure that you are safe to drive.. I totally agree that there should be some sort of re test, the difficulty is that in rural areas there is little or no public transport and the local community infrastructure has disappeared and so there is a reluctance to take away people's right to drive their car, however badly. It is often down to family to have to make that decision for them.
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  • 2 replies, Last reply by Breeza on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm
  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 1:34 pm
    @Trixy: True - the burden definitely shifts to the family once driving privileges are revoked and there is little to no public transit....but which is worse?
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 2:53 pm
    by  Breeza
    @Jessica Bold: I get your point, but teenagers are just as bad. More than once have I been almost hit. They're careless and reckless. They just need to have stricter licensing programs in place. And in English...not every language under the sun. That's my two cents.
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  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 8:41 am
    I'm with you on this. i had a post penned on exactly the same subject. it's tricky. In New Zealand you're retested every few years after a certain age, I'm not quite sure whether that happens in the UK (not - if you go by the ageing nutters on the road). I know they gave their lives for this country, but i dont' have to give mine. (i'm not being flippant about men/women's sacrifice in the war, honest). M2M
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  • 1 reply, Last reply by Jessica Bold on Fri Nov 25, 2011 at 1:35 pm
  • Report Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 1:35 pm
    @marketingtomilk: Agreed. 100%
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